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Traveller-digest     Friday, November 12 1999     Volume 1999 : Number 1343<BR>
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(R)1996. Traveller is a registered trademark of FarFuture Enterprises.<BR>
All rights reserved.<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
<BR>
Re: Pacifist groups in the 3I<BR>
RE: The Republic Question<BR>
Re: Re Imperial Constitutional Government<BR>
Re: Out-of-print Traveller Stuff<BR>
Re: Pacifist groups in the 3I<BR>
Re: Dustbin v2.0(?)<BR>
Re NV Protest<BR>
Re: Re NV Protest<BR>
Re: Re NV Protest<BR>
Re: Re NV Protest<BR>
Re: Re NV Protest<BR>
Re: (OT) IN TIME FOR REMEMBRANCE......<BR>
J. Andrew Keith Memorial<BR>
Darrian Names<BR>
Re: Darrian Names<BR>
Re: Anti-violence groups in 3I<BR>
Re: Tourism in the Marches<BR>
OT but funny<BR>
Re: Out-of-print Traveller Stuff<BR>
Re: Tourism in the Marches<BR>
Re: Anti-violence groups in 3I<BR>
Indexing the HIWG CD ROM<BR>
Re: Anti-violence groups in 3I<BR>
Re: Pacifist groups in the 3I<BR>
RE: The Republic Question<BR>
Recreations Sourcebook<BR>
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:12:50 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kiri Aradia Morgan <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Pacifist groups in the 3I<BR>
<BR>
On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, Chris Seamans wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> From: Kiri Aradia Morgan <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
> <BR>
> >Not being a pacifist myself (ha! right!) I can only say that it seems<BR>
> >really strange to me.  I would think that pacifists aren't supposed to<BR>
> >kill, and that that would include themselves.  This kind of supports my<BR>
> >theory that the sort of pacifist who will allow anything to be done to<BR>
> >them or their loved ones rather than fight has a secret death wish.<BR>
> <BR>
> Maybe, maybe not. A death wish might not really be all that secret. After<BR>
> all, it might not be frowned upon the way it has come to be in most parts of<BR>
> the modern world. After all, Vietnamese Buddhists have a long history of<BR>
> suicide when they have difficulty rectifying their religious beliefs with<BR>
> the secular governments of Vietnam. This is an honorable thing to do in that<BR>
> culture.<BR>
> <BR>
But none of these people, nor the bushi, would choose suicide if there<BR>
were not a good reason to die, if something wouldn't be accomplished by<BR>
it.  <BR>
<BR>
Some American pacifists will allow you to kill them just because you want<BR>
to steal them blind.  I protested the reestablishment of the draft in the<BR>
US.  I believe in military service for those who choose it and that it is<BR>
honorable, I am not a conscientious objector, but I am opposed to<BR>
conscription especially in peacetime.  One of the pacifists I worked with<BR>
was arguing with someone who said-- what if I wanted to drag this little<BR>
lady off here and have some fun with her?  Pointing at me.<BR>
<BR>
The guy said "She's not my property.  And I won't kill for any reason."<BR>
<BR>
And I just thought, "well buster, if someone attacked you, I guess I won't<BR>
help you either and you better believe I won't sleep with you!"  Not that<BR>
I expect my lovers to defend me cuz I'm a girl-- I'd do the same for them.<BR>
I think that if you can't trust someone to protect you when you're<BR>
vulnerable you don't have much of a relationship regardless of your<BR>
gender.<BR>
<BR>
I've no problem with saying that willingness to commit suicide in an Asian<BR>
society could be linked with pacifism; it just doesn't seem to be very<BR>
pacifistic to me, especially since seppuku and setting oneself on fire are<BR>
extremely violent deaths.<BR>
<BR>
I am not a political idealist of any sort, and hence I don't understand<BR>
why one's own life is not sacred if all lives are sacred (though I am<BR>
Japanese-identified enough to understand how suicide can be a sacred act--<BR>
the ultimate protest and yes, grand theatre too-- ritual is theatre,<BR>
theatre is ritual-- I just don't think killing is always wrong, and if I<BR>
did, I would think it was wrong to kill yourself too.)  It's because I<BR>
think my life is sacred that I will defend it, if I need to.<BR>
<BR>
Sorry that this is so rambling.<BR>
<BR>
Kiri<BR>
<BR>
******************************************************************************<BR>
Kiri Aradia Morgan                                  93!  Thou Art God<BR>
tiamat@tsoft.com<BR>
<BR>
"If time passes, everything turns into beauty<BR>
If the rains stop, tears clean the scars of memory away<BR>
Everything starts wearing fresh colors<BR>
Every sound begins playing a heartfelt melody<BR>
Jealousy embellishes a page of the epic<BR>
Desire is embraced in a dream..."              -- X-JAPAN <BR>
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:23:20 -0500<BR>
From: Ian Ferguson <ian@vax2.concordia.ca><BR>
Subject: RE: The Republic Question<BR>
<BR>
Richard Hough writes:<BR>
>How about states can join or leave the Imperium by majority vote<BR>
>of citizens of the polity in question? That is, by a majority of<BR>
>the citizens of the separate state to join, and by a majority of<BR>
>the citizens of the *entire Imperium* to leave.<BR>
<BR>
	Oh, no!  Not a referendum!<BR>
<BR>
	<sounds of Canadian TMLers gnashing teeth><BR>
<BR>
:o<BR>
<BR>
Peez<BR>
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Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 01:08:50 +0000<BR>
From: SD Mooney <dom@cybergoths.u-net.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Re Imperial Constitutional Government<BR>
<BR>
At 16:20 -0500 8/11/99, Erwin Fritz <efritz@GLJA.com> wrote:<BR>
> > I thought it was either you or Joseph D.... I couldn't remember<BR>
> > though. Useful document for GMs.<BR>
><BR>
>And where might one find this beasty?<BR>
<BR>
p83 of the IG publication M0. If buying the book, buy M0 Campaign as <BR>
it has 32 pages of extra background.<BR>
<BR>
Dom<BR>
<BR>
- ----------Dom Mooney---dom@cybergoths.u-net.com------------<BR>
                        MiB - Marines in Battledress<BR>
    "Protecting the Imperium from the Scum of the Galaxy"<BR>
Rob Prior's Mac software @ http://www.bits.org.uk/ <BR>
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:53:32 -0500<BR>
From: "Jory Earl" <j-man@iname.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Out-of-print Traveller Stuff<BR>
<BR>
As long as it doesn't hurt the game or Marc's business, for sure send me<BR>
copies of stuff.  All I have are the very mainstream books.<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
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 ICQ# 2843475<BR>
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 Email : j-man@iname.com<BR>
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:54:53 -0500<BR>
From: Mark Urbin <eclipse@ultranet.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Pacifist groups in the 3I<BR>
<BR>
"Chris Seamans" <semo@pil.net> types:<BR>
 >From: Kiri Aradia Morgan <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
 >>Not being a pacifist myself (ha! right!) I can only say that it seems<BR>
 >>really strange to me.  I would think that pacifists aren't supposed to<BR>
 >>kill, and that that would include themselves.  This kind of supports my<BR>
 >>theory that the sort of pacifist who will allow anything to be done to<BR>
 >>them or their loved ones rather than fight has a secret death wish.<BR>
 >Maybe, maybe not. A death wish might not really be all that secret. After<BR>
 >all, it might not be frowned upon the way it has come to be in most parts of<BR>
 >the modern world. After all, Vietnamese Buddhists have a long history of<BR>
 >suicide when they have difficulty rectifying their religious beliefs with<BR>
 >the secular governments of Vietnam. This is an honorable thing to do in that<BR>
 >culture.<BR>
<BR>
A LEO friend of mine uses the term "Suicide by Cop" to describe the people <BR>
who want to kill themselves, but can't go through the act, so they put <BR>
themselves in positions were the local LEOs have to shoot him/her.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>
http://www.ultranet.com/~eclipse/polyticks/algore-noway.shtml/<BR>
"In 1991, [Vice President] Gore cited Bush's China policy as a reason he<BR>
should be defeated for reelection, charging Bush sent his emissaries to<BR>
toast the butchers of Tiananmen Square.'"<BR>
Deborah Orin in the New York Post, March 26, 1997, the day after Gore<BR>
drank champagne with Chinese Premier Li Peng, who helped plan the<BR>
Tiananmen massacre<BR>
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 15:07:01 EST<BR>
From: GypsyComet@aol.com<BR>
Subject: Re: Dustbin v2.0(?)<BR>
<BR>
Dan Roseberry <rosebee@troi.csw.net> asks:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>4. The Spinward Marches Campaign<BR>
>Question: Does anyone know details and type of the ship<BR>
>on the front cover? It looks to big to be a Type S scout.<BR>
>I've decided that the other one is one of those 200 ton<BR>
>STL merchants from Hard Times.<BR>
<BR>
There are some marvelous errors of perspective on that<BR>
cover, but based on the size of the airlock hatch and the<BR>
bridge deck on top, this is actually closer to 500-700 tons.<BR>
It carries the insignia of the Duke of Regina's Own Huscarles,<BR>
so it is either a Ducal starship (personal Yacht?) or one of<BR>
the SDBs maintained by the Duke's Own.<BR>
<BR>
The little one on the back cover is 100-200 tons of tramp<BR>
freighter. NBD.<BR>
<BR>
GC<BR>
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:13:05 -0900<BR>
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
Subject: Re NV Protest<BR>
<BR>
>The point was, he actually stopped the tank by just standing there. The<BR>
>fact that hundreds of demonstrants were gunned down later doesn't change<BR>
>that.<BR>
><BR>
>ObTrav: How the ####### do you stop a grav tank this way? I figure it<BR>
>could be done with a small grav car, but wouldn't it be possible to<BR>
>drive the tank slowly into contact with the car and then slowly move<BR>
>forward (pushing the car in front of the tank). The tank has a<BR>
>significantly stronger drive, after all.<BR>
<BR>
Well, you have the problem of one more dimension of freedom.... Grav Tanks<BR>
essentially maneuver like helicopters (Except under TNE). So it doesn't<BR>
have to turn, it can just skip to one side or another... then charge... The<BR>
question is simply which has more G's of accelleration... the one which can<BR>
accellerate faster can block movemnet along a plane perpendicular to the<BR>
tanget between the two craft. The more G's the blocker has, the more<BR>
hemispherical the blocking becomes... assuming both pilots are able to make<BR>
the most of their machines.<BR>
<BR>
William F. Hostman  |  "Smith & Wesson: THe original Point and Click<BR>
interface!"<BR>
Aramis 0602 C55A364-C S kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge-<BR>
533<BR>
Mailto:aramis@gci.net http://home.gci.net/~aramis mailto:wilh@alaska.com<BR>
ICQ:14640742          AIM:AKAramis	ARM 1.0: 3 R H++ P+<BR>
IMTU 1.0: tc tm++ tn- t4-- tt+ to- tg-- ru+ ge 3i+ c+ jt-() au+ st- ls<BR>
pi+() ta+ he+(-) kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge- pi+<BR>
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 15:27:27 -0500<BR>
From: Juliean Galak <jg42@cornell.edu><BR>
Subject: Re: Re NV Protest<BR>
<BR>
At 11:13 AM 11/11/99 -0900, you wrote:<BR>
>Well, you have the problem of one more dimension of freedom.... Grav Tanks<BR>
>essentially maneuver like helicopters (Except under TNE). So it doesn't<BR>
>have to turn, it can just skip to one side or another... then charge... The<BR>
>question is simply which has more G's of accelleration... the one which can<BR>
>accellerate faster can block movemnet along a plane perpendicular to the<BR>
>tanget between the two craft. The more G's the blocker has, the more<BR>
>hemispherical the blocking becomes... assuming both pilots are able to make<BR>
>the most of their machines.<BR>
<BR>
So while your typical commuter car can't do much, a custom grav bike can <BR>
probably keep a tank at bay (until the tank decides to just ride right over <BR>
the bike, "by accident" :) )<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
           -- Juliean Galak (a.k.a. Falcon)<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
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                          defend to the death your right to say it."<BR>
                                              -- Francois Marie Voltaire<BR>
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:40:10 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Anthony Jackson <ajackson@molly.iii.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Re NV Protest<BR>
<BR>
Juliean Galak writes:<BR>
 <BR>
> So while your typical commuter car can't do much, a custom grav bike can <BR>
> probably keep a tank at bay (until the tank decides to just ride right over<BR>
>  the bike, "by accident" :) )<BR>
<BR>
Well, maybe.  The problem is that in order to effectively block a tank as a protester, you need to make sure that if the tank moves forward, you will be seriously injured.  If a grav tank moves slowly forward into a grav bike, it will probably just shove the grav bike forward (obviously, a high speed collision will do more damage, but there's a difference between 'not moving' and 'ramming the tank')<BR>
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 15:56:29 -0500<BR>
From: Juliean Galak <jg42@cornell.edu><BR>
Subject: Re: Re NV Protest<BR>
<BR>
At 12:40 PM 11/12/99 -0800, you wrote:<BR>
>Well, maybe.  The problem is that in order to effectively block a tank as <BR>
>a protester, you need to make sure that if the tank moves forward, you <BR>
>will be seriously injured.  If a grav tank moves slowly forward into a <BR>
>grav bike, it will probably just shove the grav bike forward (obviously, a <BR>
>high speed collision will do more damage, but there's a difference between <BR>
>'not moving' and 'ramming the tank')<BR>
<BR>
I'm not sure that it will just shove it away.  Once the tank begins moving <BR>
towards you, you can set the bike's comp to "hold position" (or do it <BR>
manually), and the tank, when making contact, will, for a while, be <BR>
fighting the bike's propulsion.  This could cause damage to you and to the <BR>
bike.<BR>
<BR>
A ground tank can't just "shove" a typical sedan (let alone a bike) out of <BR>
the way without doing at least some damage to the vehicle....  Sam would <BR>
apply here, but perhaps less so.<BR>
<BR>
           -- Juliean Galak (a.k.a. Falcon)<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
jg42@cornell.edu        "I do not agree with a word you say, but I will<BR>
                          defend to the death your right to say it."<BR>
                                              -- Francois Marie Voltaire<BR>
#include <disclaimer.h> "Imagination is more important than knowledge"<BR>
                          			     -- Albert Einstein<BR>
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:16:30 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Anthony Jackson <ajackson@molly.iii.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Re NV Protest<BR>
<BR>
Juliean Galak writes:<BR>
> I'm not sure that it will just shove it away.  Once the tank begins moving <BR>
> towards you, you can set the bike's comp to "hold position" (or do it <BR>
> manually), and the tank, when making contact, will, for a while, be <BR>
> fighting the bike's propulsion.  This could cause damage to you and to the <BR>
> bike.<BR>
<BR>
It depends on how strong the bike is, and on whether its designed with halfway-sane safety systems ;)<BR>
> <BR>
> A ground tank can't just "shove" a typical sedan (let alone a bike) out of <BR>
> the way without doing at least some damage to the vehicle....  Sam would <BR>
> apply here, but perhaps less so.<BR>
<BR>
If you're pushing the vehicle forwards or backwards, you can shove it just fine (you'll cause transmission damage most likely, but that doesn't look impressive on TV).  It's only really dramatic if you try to force it in a direction it isn't designed to go in, and grav vehicles are generally designed to go in any direction.<BR>
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:58:50 -0500<BR>
From: Jeff Zeitlin <jzeitlin@cyburban.com><BR>
Subject: Re: (OT) IN TIME FOR REMEMBRANCE......<BR>
<BR>
On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 16:46:42 -0500 (EST), Sethkimmel@aol.com<BR>
wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>In honor of Veterans/Remembrance Day (and a way to bring this flame back to <BR>
>Traveller), I have compiled a list of Veterans organizations in the third <BR>
>Imperium:<BR>
<BR>
The Inworld Coalition: Membership limited to those who are<BR>
veterans of the Frontier Wars, fighting on the Imperial side.<BR>
- --<BR>
Jeff Zeitlin<BR>
jzeitlin@cyburban.com<BR>
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:01:45 +0000<BR>
From: MICHAEL FOY <musashi3@home.com><BR>
Subject: J. Andrew Keith Memorial<BR>
<BR>
Has anyone put up a memorial site for Andrew Keith yet? His brother's<BR>
page for understandable reasons has no mention of this terrible tragedy.<BR>
Being on the long end of thirty-five has made me realize how close Le<BR>
Grande Mort hovers around us all. 41 is too young to die, period. I met<BR>
the Keith Brothers a long time ago when Bill Keith was famous for his<BR>
Gray Death Legion Battletech novel and Andrew Keith for his damn good<BR>
stuff for Traveller and 2300AD. I told him that quite adamantly that<BR>
then and he probably labeled me "Dangerous Radioactive Geek". I just<BR>
wish we had the internet back then (at least a system accessible to<BR>
those of us who weren't alchemists in the CompSci department at<BR>
university); I would have liked to know him better. I just have to<BR>
settle for his work and his presence that has permeated and perpetuated<BR>
within our love for Traveller and its many incarnations.<BR>
<BR>
Mike Foy<BR>
musashi3@home.com<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 15:24:10 -0700<BR>
From: Clay <arioch@theriver.com><BR>
Subject: Darrian Names<BR>
<BR>
Can someone please give me some examples of Darrian names that coincide<BR>
with Alien Module 8.<BR>
<BR>
Thanks,<BR>
Clay<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:47:50 -0600<BR>
From: Shimmergloom <shimmer@mhtc.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Darrian Names<BR>
<BR>
Let me see if I can find my old q-basic darrian word generator.  Or you<BR>
might go looking for a word generator.  there were several scattered around<BR>
the web once.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Clay wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> Can someone please give me some examples of Darrian names that coincide<BR>
> with Alien Module 8.<BR>
><BR>
> Thanks,<BR>
> Clay<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
- -------------------------<BR>
"How much XP do we get if we join the bandits?"<BR>
<BR>
shimmer@mhtc.net<BR>
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 22:53:31 +0000<BR>
From: Martin Hardgrave <martin@deira.demon.co.uk><BR>
Subject: Re: Anti-violence groups in 3I<BR>
<BR>
In message <3.0.5.16.19991111072003.393f6462@pop.mindspring.com>,<BR>
"Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com> writes<BR>
>A few years ago, demonstrators were protested the shipment of arms to<BR>
>Central American from the Concord (Ca) Naval Weapons Depot.  One of the<BR>
>protestors sat on the tracks.  As the train approached at 35 mph.  They got<BR>
>it on video.<BR>
<BR>
Years of watching Hollywood films with train smashes has led me to<BR>
hypothesise that American trains don't have brakes.<BR>
- -- <BR>
Martin Hardgrave<BR>
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:57:45 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Craig Berry <cberry@cinenet.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Tourism in the Marches<BR>
<BR>
> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:11:32<BR>
> From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
> <BR>
> Pysadi/Aramis?  Tainted atmosphere and a religious dictatorship is going<BR>
> to discourage most travelers.<BR>
<BR>
Also the locals there want to limit outside contacts, IIRC.  Not a happy<BR>
picture for the tourist board. :)<BR>
<BR>
> IMTU, magnetic sail racing arounf Regina's gas giant is a very popular<BR>
> sport, which draws touristr from around the region.<BR>
<BR>
My big problem with the various forms of space racing as spectator sports<BR>
is that there is so little for the 'spectators' to actually see.  You can<BR>
watch the contestants grouped at the start plane near some orbital<BR>
station, then watch them all move away, jockeying for initial<BR>
position...then the entire remainder of the race takes place out of visual<BR>
range.  I suppose you could have excursion boats following the pack, but<BR>
even there for any reasonable course length and dynamics it'd be tough to<BR>
have more than one or two contestants simultaneously visible, and there<BR>
would be little or nothing visibly happening in any case.<BR>
<BR>
> <noble fop><BR>
> "002 to 355?  My dear boy, that's all just preperation for New Year's and<BR>
> Holiday!  *The* social event of the season.  Everybody who is anybody<BR>
> attends the Matriarch's Grand Ball, parties until dawn!"<BR>
> </noble fop><BR>
<BR>
Followed, of course, by the traditional 'hiding in bed wincing'<BR>
festivities on the remainder of 001. :)<BR>
<BR>
Another one from MTU, way back when...<BR>
<BR>
Casinos in orbital cities around Rhylanor.  Famously gaudy and overdone,<BR>
styled on every imaginable (and a few you-don't-want-to-imagine) theme. <BR>
Along with 'normal' games for the masses, there are always plenty of<BR>
high-stakes games and tournaments available for the big spenders. <BR>
Needless to say, the orbitals are full of down-on-their luck spacers<BR>
hoping to win their way out of debt; this is a legendarily good place to<BR>
pick up cheap help with few questions asked, if you know where to look. <BR>
There's a well-known joke about the "Rhylanor Success Story" -- a spacer<BR>
who arrives in-system in his leaky old Far Trader, and leaves a week later<BR>
in a shiny new Tukera liner. :) <BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
   |   Craig Berry - cberry@cinenet.net<BR>
 --*--  http://www.cinenet.net/users/cberry/home.html<BR>
   |   "They do not preach that their God will rouse them<BR>
      a little before the nuts work loose." - Kipling<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:02:35 -0600<BR>
From: Shimmergloom <shimmer@mhtc.net><BR>
Subject: OT but funny<BR>
<BR>
The Top 11 Entries in Bill Gates's Diary"<BR>
<BR>
11. Invited entire tech-support department to play golf. Brought Melissa to<BR>
complete the foursome.<BR>
<BR>
10. Steve Jobs started work today. The silverware looks great, but he doesn't<BR>
do windows -- yet.<BR>
<BR>
9. The baby cries constantly. Maybe I'll buy Fisher-Price.<BR>
<BR>
8. Bought my first Macintosh. It's sooooo cute!<BR>
<BR>
7. Good day. Found over 15 bucks' worth of soda cans in the trash bins outside<BR>
Microsoft headquarters.<BR>
<BR>
6. Bad day. Ellison sent back the heads of two of the three hitmen I hired,<BR>
along with a note saying he ate<BR>
the third one whole.<BR>
<BR>
5. Still ahead of Murdoch and Eisner. Yes!<BR>
<BR>
4. Reminder: 35-cent Snapple coupon expires in two days!<BR>
<BR>
3. Memo to self: Next time, when my wife says we need to buy china, she means<BR>
dishes.<BR>
<BR>
2. Ran into Demi and Bruce. Upped my offer to a billion dollars.<BR>
<BR>
1. Seventh day: rested.<BR>
<BR>
- -------------------------<BR>
"How much XP do we get if we join the bandits?"<BR>
<BR>
shimmer@mhtc.net<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 12:05:34 +1300<BR>
From: "Frank Pitt" <frankie@mundens.gen.nz><BR>
Subject: Re: Out-of-print Traveller Stuff<BR>
<BR>
> Are you worried about canon law?<BR>
> Do you prefer to run with the herd?<BR>
> Are you missing critical out-of-print Traveller materials?<BR>
><BR>
> Looks like it's as good a time as any to suggest that some of<BR>
> us could go on a Xerox-happy copying spree and distribute<BR>
> hard-to-find material for free to folks on the TML who aren't<BR>
> as fortunate.  If it falls under the Marc Miller "authorized copy"<BR>
> rule, then it's a candidate.  There's really no reason folks on<BR>
> the TML should be hobbled by lack of materials, after all...<BR>
<BR>
I 'm willing to do this for rare materiel such as some FASA stuff,<BR>
Marischal,  and Paranoia Press things.<BR>
<BR>
I don't see that it's neccessary for anything published for CT by GDW, as<BR>
that stuff is almost always available, and I believe some of it's still<BR>
available from Marc.<BR>
<BR>
Also, for some stuff, I'd probably prefer providing electronic copy, as it<BR>
would give me an excuse to keep putting together my electronic copies, so<BR>
the originals can be stored appropriately.<BR>
<BR>
Frankie<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:14:32 -0700<BR>
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@pharmacy.arizona.edu><BR>
Subject: Re: Tourism in the Marches<BR>
<BR>
Craig Berry wrote:<BR>
>  <BR>
> My big problem with the various forms of space racing as spectator sports<BR>
> is that there is so little for the 'spectators' to actually see.  You can<BR>
> watch the contestants grouped at the start plane near some orbital<BR>
> station, then watch them all move away, jockeying for initial<BR>
> position...then the entire remainder of the race takes place out of visual<BR>
> range.  I suppose you could have excursion boats following the pack, but<BR>
> even there for any reasonable course length and dynamics it'd be tough to<BR>
> have more than one or two contestants simultaneously visible, and there<BR>
> would be little or nothing visibly happening in any case.<BR>
> <BR>
> > <noble fop><BR>
> > "002 to 355?  My dear boy, that's all just preperation for New Year's and<BR>
> > Holiday!  *The* social event of the season.  Everybody who is anybody<BR>
> > attends the Matriarch's Grand Ball, parties until dawn!"<BR>
> > </noble fop><BR>
> <BR>
> Followed, of course, by the traditional 'hiding in bed wincing'<BR>
> festivities on the remainder of 001. :)<BR>
<BR>
Actually this does sound like a number of different sailing races right<BR>
now. There's a series that was originally sponsored by some beer maker<BR>
that was essentially a party that moved through the course with the<BR>
boats racing from bar to bar ;-) All the interesting spectator stuff<BR>
happens in port, the racing itself is largely beside the point except,<BR>
perhaps, to the crews.<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Bruce Johnson<BR>
University of Arizona<BR>
College of Pharmacy<BR>
Information Technology Group<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 19:16:05 -0700<BR>
From: "David J. Golden" <goldendj@pcisys.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Anti-violence groups in 3I<BR>
<BR>
At 12:44 PM 11/12/99 +0100, you wrote:<BR>
>"David J. Golden" wrote:<BR>
>> That would be Tienanmen Square, where the PLA later turned machine<BR>
>> guns on the crowds ...<BR>
><BR>
>Yeah, I know  :-(<BR>
><BR>
>The point was, he actually stopped the tank by just standing there.<BR>
The<BR>
>fact that hundreds of demonstrants were gunned down later doesn't<BR>
change<BR>
>that.<BR>
><BR>
>ObTrav: How the ####### do you stop a grav tank this way? I figure<BR>
it<BR>
>could be done with a small grav car, but wouldn't it be possible to<BR>
<BR>
	Only way I can think of it is the way some protestors try to<BR>
stop/hinder whaling ships, etc. ... get a bunch of people in<BR>
air/rafts & grav cars, and just generally fill the area around the<BR>
grav tank. Again, something that loses its effectiveness if the grav<BR>
tank crew isn't willing to cooperate ...<BR>
<BR>
- -- "Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread<BR>
   it."<BR>
   --George Bernard Shaw<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 00:18:31 +0000<BR>
From: SD Mooney <dom@cybergoths.u-net.com><BR>
Subject: Indexing the HIWG CD ROM<BR>
<BR>
Hi all,<BR>
<BR>
I've a technical question for all the MacOS 8.5+ users here: How do <BR>
you create an index (by content) of a CD-ROM using Sherlock? By <BR>
default, the Sherlock search engine will not let you create a file <BR>
index of contents for a non-writeable drive. Do I need to <BR>
re-initialise or partition the hard drive and and copy the CD to it, <BR>
generate the index, then re-burn the CD?<BR>
<BR>
ObTrav: I have the HIWG CD ROM, which has a vast quantity of <BR>
information on it. Sadly, this is hard to  find material on even with <BR>
the indexes Bryan has created. I would like to index it using <BR>
Sherlock so the 'search by file content' becomes available as a way <BR>
to look for information. (Non-MacOS 8.5 owners - this searches <BR>
content of files in a similar way that web search engines work).<BR>
<BR>
Cheers,<BR>
<BR>
Dom<BR>
- ----------Dom Mooney---dom@cybergoths.u-net.com------------<BR>
                        MiB - Marines in Battledress<BR>
    "Protecting the Imperium from the Scum of the Galaxy"<BR>
Rob Prior's Mac software @ http://www.bits.org.uk/ <BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:53:12 -0500<BR>
From: Robert Prior <robert_prior@sympatico.ca><BR>
Subject: Re: Anti-violence groups in 3I<BR>
<BR>
>In a message dated 11/11/99 3:54:55 PM Pacific Standard Time,<BR>
>robert_prior@sympatico.ca writes:<BR>
><BR>
><<<BR>
> Whether it would work or not depends a great deal on the philosophical<BR>
> nature of that world's society<BR>
>  >><BR>
><BR>
>Reminds me of an alternate timeline short story I read many years ago. The<BR>
>Nazi's arrive in New Delhi, and Ghandi is one of the VIPs who meet them. When<BR>
>Ghandi realizes that India has new masters who make the British look kindly,<BR>
>he organizes his protests. He's captured and tells the Nazi's that they too<BR>
>will be driven from India by non violence. He's promptly led away to be shot<BR>
>(along with thousands of others). He's stunned by the failure of his non<BR>
>violence campaign, and the last line of the story is the Nazi governor saying<BR>
>that Gandhi's mistake is in thinking that the Nazi's had a conscience....<BR>
<BR>
"The Last Article" by Harry Turtledove<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 18:04:03 -0500<BR>
From: Robert Prior <robert_prior@sympatico.ca><BR>
Subject: Re: Pacifist groups in the 3I<BR>
<BR>
>Not being a pacifist myself (ha! right!) I can only say that it seems<BR>
>really strange to me.  I would think that pacifists aren't supposed to<BR>
>kill, and that that would include themselves.  This kind of supports my<BR>
>theory that the sort of pacifist who will allow anything to be done to<BR>
>them or their loved ones rather than fight has a secret death wish.<BR>
<BR>
>Kiri<BR>
<BR>
Depends on the pacifist. Some believe that _any_ violence is wrong. Others<BR>
believe that you have th right to commit violence on yourself, but not on<BR>
anyone else. Like with most believes, pacifism comes in many flavours.<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 18:06:47 -0500<BR>
From: Robert Prior <robert_prior@sympatico.ca><BR>
Subject: RE: The Republic Question<BR>
<BR>
>Richard Hough writes:<BR>
>>How about states can join or leave the Imperium by majority vote<BR>
>>of citizens of the polity in question? That is, by a majority of<BR>
>>the citizens of the separate state to join, and by a majority of<BR>
>>the citizens of the *entire Imperium* to leave.<BR>
><BR>
>	Oh, no!  Not a referendum!<BR>
><BR>
>	<sounds of Canadian TMLers gnashing teeth><BR>
<BR>
Why not?  After all, the Vilani _are_ a distinct society within the Imperium...<BR>
<BR>
<duck><BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 22:40:12 -0500<BR>
From: Robert Prior <robert_prior@sympatico.ca><BR>
Subject: Recreations Sourcebook<BR>
<BR>
The topic of games, arts, entertainment, and similar pastimes surfaces<BR>
periodically. Jeff and I have been working on a sourcebook, tentatively<BR>
titled "101 Recreations". We hope to have this released as a BITS book,<BR>
either in print or electronically.<BR>
<BR>
I've set up a mailing list for this project on ONEList.  You can sign up at<BR>
<http://www.onelist.com/community/101Recreations> if you're interested.<BR>
<BR>
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